It is disturbing to find such people on here, a place which is supposed to be fairly open minded. The knowledge that people still follow Nazi ideologies makes me angry, as one side of my family are Jewish, and so most of that side of the family have been wiped out due to the events of the holocaust. The connections are close to my heart. And so I am going to favourite this as I am glad you have brought this to people's attention. I hope they get reported for their racist biggotry.

I like this, in the sense that (as you know) it is very close to my own opinions and views.
It is very powerful.

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The national socialist groups on DA do not stand for hate, anti-semitism or racism. You would have known that if you even took the time to read our FAQ. This site explains you what we stand for.

I'm a very openminded person. National socialism has nothing to do with closedmindedness, ignorance, ... It's just another way of looking as the world, just like communism, conservatism, liberalism, ... Regardless of what may or may not have happened 60 years ago, it is not an 'evil' ideology.

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Respect all cultures - oppose multi-culturalism
Peoples of the world unite
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Yeah, I understand, I'm a drug user, but I don't actually use drugs.

The fruits of Natinal Socialism has proven the tree bad no matter how you try to spin it.

Would you let you're daughter marry a Jew, or a black man??

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Very strong work, and I am glad you wrote it. There is nothing to embrace in an idealism that cannot tolerate the beauty of the individual. What "happened" with so many sheople following a wolf should always be remembered, whether "we" were there 60 years ago or not, remembered as a terrible warning, to avoid letting it ever happen again.

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wow. just wow.
this is honestly some of the best work youve done

I'm a drug user, but I don't actually use drugs.

Nonsense. As I said : we do not stand for hate, anti-semitism or racism. [link] explains what we stand for, and that's all there's to it. National socialism has never been an ideology of hate, anti-semitism or racism. And no, those beliefs are not a modern fabrication. They are very close to Hitler's orriginal ideas in 1920. We do believe in racial and cultural separation, but that's for the simple reason that the multi-cultural society is too damn flawed. It has nothing whatsoever to do with subjective emotions, but all with objective conclusions. This is also explained in the above link. Hitler and many of the early national socialists did hate the jews, though, but that was a result of a jewish subgroup screwing up the society they lived in. I do not approve anti-semitism, but I can understand it. Anti-semitism is a disease. You should not blame the patient. To quote Einstein : Anti-Semitism is nothing but the antagonistic attitude produced in the non-Jew by the Jewish group. The Jewish group has thrived on oppression and on the antagonism it has forever met in the world... the root cause is their use of enemies they create in order to keep solidarity...

But regardless.... during the '30s, there were several national socialist parties in Europe that were not anti-semitic at all. Contrary to what many people think, there was not just one national socialistic party in Europe. Have you ever heard of the 'Nationaal Socialistische Beweeging' (Netherlands), the 'Algemene Nederlandse Fascistenbond' (Netherlands), the 'Nasjonal Samling' (Norway), 'Danmarks Nationalsocialistiske Arbejderparti' (Denmark), the 'Sudetendeutsche Partei' (Czechoslovakia), the 'Verbond van Dietsche Nationaalsolidaristen' (Flanders/Netherlands), the 'Vlaamsch Nationaal Verbond' (Flanders), the 'Duits-Vlaamse Arbeidsgemeenschap' (Flanders), REX (Wallony), the 'Vaterlaendische Front' (Austria), the Arrow Cross Movement (Hungary), the 'Nationalsocialistiska Arbetarpartiet' (Sweden), the 'Isänmaallinen Kansanliike' (Finland), the 'British Union of Fascists and National Socialists' (UK) ... Those were all national socialist parties! Some were closely tied to Germany, some were not. Some were anti-semitic, some were not. Anti-semitism is not a fundamental part of the ideology at all, also contrary to what many people think.

The fruits of Natinal Socialism has proven the tree bad no matter how you try to spin it.

- I'm 100% sure that many of the holocaust myths are fabrications. Does that mean that there were no camps? Does that mean that no jew suffered? Of course not. However, Germans ended up in (Russian) camps too, and those were a hell of a lot worse. There were no extermination camps, only concentration camps. Everyone suffered in this war, and the jews should have no monopoly on that. In case you wonder WHY the jews were put in camps, and what Hitler planned to do with them if he didn't want them all to be murdered, I suggest you check out the above link. It's all explained in there. Every statement made in that link is fully backed up, by the way.

- Even if all the holocaust stories were true, that doesn't make national socialism any more evil than communism. During Stalin's reign alone, more people have been murdered in the name of communism than just about any estimate of people murdered by the NSDAP. Then we ignore those who were killed in the aftermath of the Russian revolution, those who were murdered by Pol Pot's Red Khmer and those Mao had murdered. Still, very little people are as judgemental about communism as they are about national socialism. From a purely theoretical persective, both are respectable ideologies, though.

- Even if all the holocaust stories were true, that doesn't make national socialism any more evil than christianity. Ever heard about the crucades? Do you know about the massacre of the kathars? Do you know about the persecution of the templars? How about the Spanish inquisition? Or what about all those 'savages' who were killed in the name of God, when proud christian warriors conquered the west? Still, very little people are as judgemental about christianity as they are about national socialism. From a purely theoretical persective, both are respectable beliefs, though.

- Or what about judaism, saying that jews as the chosen people? Doesn't the Talmud regard gentiles as inferior? Doesn't the Talmud say jews have the right to use gentiles in an almost cattle-like fashion? Why is this acceptable, while the statement that German people are morally superior is not acceptable?

- What about Israel? Israel is a nation with an apartheid regime. No person is a full citizen, unless they are an Askenazi jew. Palestinians whoes land has been taken by Israel can not buy Israeli property, even the land they used to live on. Israeli immigration laws are based on genetics. Why is there no problem with jews doing this, while it is evil if Germans do it?

Would you let you're daughter marry a Jew, or a black man??

I'd prefer her to stick to her own people, not just because I believe it's right... but mostly because marrying to someone of a different culture and/or religion always creates all kinds of problems, ie a continuous conflict about the education they want to give their children.....

I don't think I would have the right to tell an adult what he or she must do, though. If she would ignore her education, that's her choice. Fortunately I live in a place where there are only very little black or jewish people. The large majority of immigrants here is muslem, and muslems prefer to stick to their own people themselves.... for these same obvious reasons. Therefor I don't think this will be an issue, unless the demographics of my country will severely change in the next 20 years.

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Love your people - oppose your government
Respect all cultures - oppose multi-culturalism
Peoples of the world unite
For a new social revolution
Soon will be the time
To crush the 'New World Order'

There is nothing to embrace in an idealism that cannot tolerate the beauty of the individual.

Hitler never rejected individualism. He just put individual needs in contrast with the needs of the many which should ALWAYS be a higher priority. These are the ways of nature and should not be ignored, if man wishes to survive.

Some interesting quotes by Hitler on this and related issues :
- It is not the mass that invents and not the majority that organizes or thinks, but in all things only and always the individual man, the person.
- When man tries to rebel against the iron logic of Nature, he comes into conflict with principles to which he himself owes his existence as man. And so his action against Nature must lead to his own downfall.
- The great masses of people do not consist of philosophers; precisely for the masses, faith is often the sole foundation of a moral attitude...
- I use emotion for the many and reserve reason for the few.
- Thus, in principle, it [national socialism] embraces the basic principle of Nature and believes in the validity of this law down to the last individual. It sees not only the different value of races, but also the different value of individual men. From the mass it extracts the importance of the person, and thus, in contrast to Marxism with its disorganizing effect, it acts in an organizing way.
- The state is a means to an end. Its end lies in the preservation and advancement of a community of physically and spiritually similar beings. This preservation comprises first of all existence as a race, and thereby permits free development of all the forces dormant in this race.
- For in the long run systems of government are not maintained by the pressure of force, but by faith in their soundness and in the truthfulness with which they represent and advance the interests of a people.
- In general it should not be forgotten that the highest aim of human existence is not the preservation of a state, let alone a government, but the preservation of the species.

What "happened" with so many sheople following a wolf should always be remembered, whether "we" were there 60 years ago or not

True, however we should remember things as they happened, and not as some people want us to believe it happened. Remember that written history always depends on who writes it :

"Only the winners decide what were war crimes." (Gary Wills)
"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." (Arthur Schopenhauer)
"We shall go down in history as the greatest statesmen of all time, or as the greatest criminals." (Josef Goebbels)
"There are two histories : official history, lying, and then secret history, where you find the real causes of events" (Honoré de Balzac)
"Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past." (George Orwell)
"The victor will never be asked if he tolds the truth." (Adolf Hitler)
"Truth does not fear investigation." (David Lane)
"Speaking the Truth in times of universal deceit is a revolutionary act." (George Orwell)

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Love your people - oppose your government
Respect all cultures - oppose multi-culturalism
Peoples of the world unite
For a new social revolution
Soon will be the time
To crush the 'New World Order'

Out of interest, do you parents share you political views?

Were you raised with them?

If not, was there a single event or a series of events that caused you to follow this path?

Have your read Mein Kamp, can you truly tell me it's not racist or anti-semtic?

The core of the Christian message is love thy enemy, and all peoples are your neighbor. Obviously the events you speak of mock this core message and are evil in the strongest sense. But what prompted those events...hum fear of those who believe in things different from yourself, they all were an attempt to keep an ideology pure, hum sounds like the same beast as Nazism.

And still on this point, I excuse no one from inhumanity, whether Jew, Christian, Moslem, American, whatever, evil is evil no matter what banner it is flown under, but my god are you actually using the evil of others to excuse the Nazi’s.

So many people feel alone in this world, they want to feel like they belong to something greater than themselves, they want to feel as if they have a purpose, so they attach themselves to a group or movement to give them meaning. Of course when different type of these groups clash, that’s when the trouble starts.

Would you agree with me in saying we create the things that divide us?

Would you agree with me in saying there is no significant genetic difference between the races?

Would you agree with me in saying at the core we are all brothers, and what’s truly important is how we treat one another?

If you had a button right now that would make all Jews disappear, would you push it?

If you had a button right now that would prevented WWII and Hilter’s rise to power, would you push it?

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Thanks!

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